How long will Version 7 be usable?

GarageSale
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I had a near fatal motorcycle crash literally 1 year and two days ago. To say I crushed the WHOLE right side of my body would only be slightly over stated. Injuries included breaking my pelvis in 18 places, shattering my leg from the knee to the ankle, shattered vertabrae in my back, broke almost all ribs, upper arm broken in two. That’s the SHORT version. I am getting ready to restart my ebay listings after a year of my business being down.

When I noticed this subscription fee that should be criminal. I had better be able to list my items with garagesale 7 without a subscription fee. After that, I will abandon the software. When I purchased the app outright, I did NOT agree to a subscription fee. If it forces the issue, I will find another route. Plus I will file a complaint anywhere and everywhere I can including the better business bureau. I don’t know about anyone else, but I am sick and tired of being the guy at the short end of the stick due to the greed of companies. If someone does a lot online, they would need a second job just to pay for all of the subscription fees these con artists are inflicting on us. It is beyond ridiculous.

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“Getting over it” is the reason these companies get away with this crap. Find another route. Ebay has made it easy enough to do listings that you can abandon software such as garagesale and still make it. Especially if you are selling items that aren’t single listing items. I am FAR from happy about this.

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I haven’t done a listing on ebay through the ebay platform since I think 2004 - I’ve used one bulk loader or another - only GS since 2008 when I moved to a Mac…
There would be a bit of a learning curve I’m sure and I really don’t like the way a lot of current listings look - is the lack of design in these listings a restriction or down to something else?

I know exactly what you mean and indeed it was my first thought and probably still is my position.
However I reckon I’ll stick with 7 for now as it is being supported for at least a year - ebay dependent. There’s no restriction and it’s Catalina compliant - for when I do upgrade the OS in a couple of month or so.

And besides, it just works for me.
Although, I only use it to create and maintain listings not to manage them post sale.

GS image service for GTC may not work with 7, after it runs out, and it does not work with 8, only Pro - so I’ll think I’ll go back to ftp or be giving some thought as to how I actually use images in listings.

If we accept the company’s position it seems it’s either this change or it may be GarageSale ceases to exist. I think they have made a mistake and that could still be the case because the $149.99pa pricing is set (for me at least) way too high and they may not get enough sign-ups. I will not be doing so.

It’ll be only be when push come to shove that I will further consider changing to 8 - I’d have already done it if 'the contract" was as before - but equally so I might not ever do it now with this restriction. Maybe - within the lifespan of 7 - I’ll have been able to find the time to explore other options.

GS7 is being supported for at least a year - ebay dependent. There’s no restriction and it’s Catalina compliant.

I don’t know the law but is an imposed-no-option-take-it-or-leave-it change of contract for existing users an issue? Anyone?

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Well, as long as they don’t prevent users from using versions previous to 8, they are in the clear. As despicable as it is. Like everything, it’s ALL about the money. They can not legally stop people from using what they already paid for. That would be like a bank showing up to take your car after you paid for it and have the title in your hand. If iwascoding did that, it would be a class action lawsuit in the making.

However, if I had purchased 7 in the past few months with the belief that I would be ok for at least a few updates, I would be VERY ticked off. I would dispute the charge with my credit card company. Things like this really make me have ZERO sympathy for software companies when people pirate their software. I have always paid for garagesale even though it is on every software pirating site out there. If they figure out a way to get around this 50 listing limit, I will download a pirated copy even if I don’t use it. Just out of spite. Lol!

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Don’t you think this is the reason that explain why now we all have to pay more with monthly fees instead of unique purchase? Not only about GS, I mean…

No comment!!

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No comment? It looks like you have a pretty long comment there. So I’m confused. But NO, that is not the reason they went subscription. I continue to be shocked by how much people such as yourself can miss the elephant in the room. Quite simply put, if even 10% of current users go the sub route, they will make literally 20 times more money than selling the app outright to the current 100% of users. 20%? Double that and so on. Do the math, it’s not hard. So it doesn’t take a genius to see it is ALL about the money. Just someone with an ounce of discernment and first grade mathematics can figure it out. And complaining about it is like telling an enemy soldier on a battle field to not shoot at you.

All they are seeing right now is the dollar signs. They did the 1st grade math before they decided this and of course EVERY person in the company agreed that it was a great idea. It is no longer about customer service or looking out for your fellow man these days. It is ALL about the money!

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I don’t blame you for deleting that comment. I guess you figured out at the last minute that I would answer your question of “do I expect to be paid for my work” with an answer like, that has NOTHING to do with greed and taking advantage of people. They were paid for their work before. Just not enough for their liking obviously.

If you are concerned that they are not being paid enough, you can pay $100 a month or $1 million a month to them for your subscription. That way you can sleep better at night knowing you did your part at putting their children through college. When you start those payments, be sure to include a screen shot here of your receipt so we can all compliment your generosity. I await that screen shot with my breath held. Please hurry before I pass out. I’m already turning blue. LMAO! Please stop with the white knighting folks!

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@The_Traveler yes, that would be a looong comment, longer than the time I have to spend for discussing this matter, sorry. I will just reply metaphorically.

I work between 12 and 15 hours a day, and this is not why I am particularly sadist against myself, but because I leave in a country were tax pressure is agains 40 and 60% of your turnover and you have to do always more to cover costs, not to become richer. And do you know why all this? Because a huge % of workers in my country thinks to be more intelligent than those who pay and so they just don’t pay taxes. If we all paid taxes, we all would have to pay less! And maybe we all would be a little richer. But this is theory, I know…

It’s the same the world over!

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Yeah, that’s a dramatic story. It has not one thing to do with this situation. But a dramatic story nonetheless. Here, fortunately we got a tax break a couple of years ago. So things have gotten better. If we can the people who want a 70% tax out of office, we will be ok. Lol! And I don’t know your countries issues, but if they are telling you that you’re paying higher taxes because of deadbeats, that is usually only partially correct.

It is due to deadbeats, but usually because of government financed handouts to those who do nothing. Not because of people not paying their taxes, which is easily corrected by a government that wants to correct it. But again, what this has to do with my complaint about a companies greed is beyond me.

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The moral is than until people will find shortcuts as you explained to avoid taxes (metaphorically the cost of a service like GS is), we all will have to pay more to cover this lack. It’s quite useless to convince you that any service must have a cost because it costs to be maintained! And if now app developers do such a choice, in general, maybe it’s because maintenance costs are higher (and higher was also the number of people that went with pirated app). I tried to contain myself from replied, but the stuff about downloading a pirated app in order to avoid the cost of a service like GS that works and let you working (and making money), is undoubtedly one of the senseless thing I ever read on this forum…

P.S. Sorry devs for this off topic, I will certainly contain myself from further now!

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I understand the simple idea of what you’re saying. It just simply is not valid here. I think I have very plainly laid out how things are. Including the incredibly high profit margin they will gain from doing this. If you think it is any deeper than that, then you are quite naive. They aren’t doing this because of piracy. I don’t know why you’re trying to present that as fact. Piracy doesn’t cause corporate greed. Corporate greed causes piracy. I reiterate what I said previously, if anyone on here is concerned that they aren’t making enough, then feel free to pay MANY times more per month than what they are asking for. Believe me, they WILL gladly accept your over payment.

That way you can sleep better at night knowing you’re making them rich. I know people like yourself enjoy playing the white knight, but it doesn’t make you smart or even honest. It just makes you look naive and stupid. These companies get away with sticking it to small business owners and customers because of people JUST LIKE YOU! If what I said shocks you then you must lead a sheltered life. By the way, do you work for iwascoding or are you just hall monitor type of person? Or just a plain idiot?

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Just a plain idiot who pay for a service that let me sustain one employee.

Have a nice day

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I’m not sure where this idea that we are getting right on selling GarageSale is coming from?

I think your idea about the size of our company (3 people) and the number of active GarageSale users (~3000, ~10% with more than 50+ listings) might be a little bit off.

We’ve been only able to keep the company alive because we have been contracting for client projects during the day, and working on GarageSale during at night, weekends and when there was no project work available.

Yes, it is true that we’d earn more from subscription users, but even if all GS7 users with more than 50 listing/months would sign up for GS Pro, we’d still not getting rich. It would just make us less dependent on contracting jobs, and allow us to work less at nights.

Has it ever occurred that we are a small business as well? :man_shrugging:

If you cannot tolerate people with different opinions without insulting those people, maybe this user forum is not the right place for you.

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3 people??? I am a one man operation. I didn’t presume that you had a thousand employees. But 3 is quite a lot considering. You may be able to accurately dispute the term “getting rich”, but you are playing on words. You know that this change will increase the income of the company several times over. The exact numbers of course, only you have.

And I didn’t insult him. I simply asked him a question. That’s what the question mark at the end of the sentence means. And I am missing the part where you chastise him for saying “undoubtedly one of the senseless thing I ever read on this forum.” But of course since he’s one of yours, you’re ok with it. Just know this said and done. You have lost a customer with me over this. A VERY long term customer. I have been using GS almost since the beginning.

Keep in mind that you are speaking to someone who has helped your company get to the point it is now. Without people like me, your company wouldn’t have survived long enough to implement this considerable price increase. I have always paid for your software til now. What was the price of the software previously? I don’t remember. $25 or so? Even if it was $100 which I know it wasn’t, $15 per month is one hell of an increase.

Your price increase is nothing more than yet another squeeze on small sellers such as myself who are trying to figure out how to pay the rent EVERY month. I will bet you don’t have that problem. Perhaps you can dispute my overstated “rich” comment, and I shouldn’t have overstated that, giving you something to point at and say I’m wrong, but you guys are doing pretty well for yourselves.

Sellers are getting squeezed by ebay, amazon, the postal service, shipping supply retailers, etc. To say nothing about food and living expenses. A trip to mcdonald’s to buy a 2 course meal totals around $14 now. It was less than 8 years ago, it was $6 out the door. So if you expect us all to like this, you’re in dream land. As I said before, you guys did the math and figured out that even if people like myself abandon your software, you will still get a VERY considerable increase in funds after this.

Or you wouldn’t be doing it. Simple as that. As you see from other replies on here, I am not the only VERY unhappy customer. And just think that only a fraction of 1% of unhappy customers are going to get on here and complain about it. So this has upset A LOT of people! But of course when you KNOW this is going to increase money considerably, it doesn’t matter.

Kudos for FINALLY making it so your software TRULY syncs with ebay. That was something that I thought GS should have been doing very early on in the development of GS. I waited for MANY years for that feature. I gave up waiting and just started updating my listings on ebay rather than using GS. That was after tiring of updating it on ebay and then going to GS to update it too. And because of that, now when I go to restart my listings, I am going to have to closely examine every one in GS to make sure what needs to changed gets done.

In fact, I wouldn’t have even noticed this price increase at all if it weren’t for the fact that I am getting ready to restart my listings after my ebay account being down for literally 1 year as of 4 days ago. Oct. 26th was the 1 year anniversary of my near fatal motorcycle crash. And when I say near fatal, I am not by any means overstating it. I almost died twice in surgery.

Got a blood clot in my lungs, pneumonia and everything that goes with it. I have titanium bars from my upper arm to my elbow. From my knee to my ankle and the x-ray of my pelvis shows what looks like a spider web of titanium go through my pelvis from one side to the other. I spent a month in a coma followed by 8 months in rehab. I had to learn to walk again. For that matter, upon first awakening, I had to learn to even use my hands again. I couldn’t even turn on my iphone using the button at the bottom at first. Now, one year later, I can barely make it from the bed to the couch some days due to the pain.

Yet I still have restarted by business because I have to in order to survive. What I am telling you is WAY under stated. To tell it all would take a minimum of 10 paragraphs. So give all of that a try and then you can cry to me about having it rough.

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I appreciate the comprehensive feature set of GS as well as your responsive customer support; however, GS 6 & 7 have been well beyond my requirements of listing, revising and seeing what listings have expired. Everything else in my workflow is done in eBay’s sellers hub. As a relatively small seller I’m sure that I’m not alone with how I use GS. Have you given any thought to providing a Lite version of the application?

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We had a slimmed down version of GarageSale a few years back, called GarageSale Basic. Even though it was selling for half the price of the regular version, only about 5% of our sales went to it. That’s why we decided to cancel it.

The very low volume seller is probably fine with using the eBay website or mobile app.

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In my case I think that GS8 will have to prove itself to be much more stable and quicker than GS7 before I am prepared to commit to a monthly fee. I really only use it to list and don’t need all the add-ons.

GS7 is so prone to crashing and beach balling that I really can’t see that I would want to pay $15 a month. Think I’d rather just use eBay direct even if it is slower for each listing - at least I don’t have to watch the beach ball for minutes at a time when I’m trying to list.

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The beach ball can be delayed until you are not listing by changing when it updates orders and listings in the preferences. I switched from 5 minutes to 1 hour and I don’t run into very often. 2 hours would even be better or never would stop it permanently while you are working and turn it back on when done listing.

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Thanks for the handy tip. When I checked I had it set to one hour - I’ve set it to never for a bit to see how it affects the beachball.

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Well, that didn’t work - if anything it’s worse today. Taking 20-30 seconds to catch up everytime I type something, and then just going off for no reason and beach balling for minutes at a time.

It’s just awful and I certainly wouldn’t pay $15 a month for this!